Santeri Väänänen, Rosenborg BK

[Rytsölä bros]

It's like whoever doesn't quite understand how the manager wants to play, plays better.

Oh dear. That's a brutal analysis. =)

[Norjalainen]

Not only is Sadiku and Santeri benched for Rosenborg today, so are all the attacking players for Rosenborg! Midfielders Holse and Nypan are expected to be the two up front in this sad looking 5-3-2.


Holse - Nypan

Skarsem - Børkeeiet - Bjørlo

Tagseth - Jenssen - Henriksen - Rogers - Reitan

Hansen

Bench: Tangvik, Sande, Nelson, Pereira, Sadiku, Aga, Ingasson

[Kärsä]

Tappiohan sieltä tuli taas eikä peliaikaa suomalaisille kummallekaan.

VOisiko asiantuntijat valaista, että miksi tuo Rekdal on saanut näinkin paljon siimaa, kun peli ei kerran kulje eikä osoita paranemisen merkkejäkään? Ymmärtäisin, jos kyseessä olisi joku seuralegenda tai valmentaja todella kovilla meriiteillä, mutta eihän Rekdal ole noista kumpaakaan.

[Ilkeä Eläinlääkäri]

Hyvä vaan, että Rosenborg hävisi tänään. Rekdalin potkut tuskin suomalaisten osakkeita ainakaan heikentävät.

[indreløper]

VOisiko asiantuntijat valaista, että miksi tuo Rekdal on saanut näinkin paljon siimaa, kun peli ei kerran kulje eikä osoita paranemisen merkkejäkään? Ymmärtäisin, jos kyseessä olisi joku seuralegenda tai valmentaja todella kovilla meriiteillä, mutta eihän Rekdal ole noista kumpaakaan.

Tiedä siitä asiantuntijuudesta, mutta yritän kuitenkin vastata. Tilanne on aika monimutkainen, enkä usko että tuohon kysymykseen on mitään yhtä ja ilmeistä vastausta. Rekdalin palkkasi seuran edellinen hallitus, ja häntä edelliset päävalmentajat (Horneland ja Hareide) olivat virassa noin puolitoista vuotta molemmat, ja ennen Hornelandin kautta oli puolisen vuotta väliaikainen ratkaisu sen jälkeen, kun menestyksekäs mutta loppua kohti enemmän ja enemmän jämähtänyt Ingebrigtsen potkittiin ulos. Seuraa on kritisoitu aika kovin sanoin siitä, miten nämä toistuvat valmentajavaihdokset hoidettiin, ja uusi hallitus yrittää ihan ymmärrettävästi välttää hätiköityjä ratkaisuja. Lisäksi Rekdalin ensimmäisen kauden (siis 2022) jälkimmäinen puolisko oli, heikoin alkukauden jälkeen, varsin ok: tähän on toistuvasti vedottu, kun Rekdalia on puolusteltu, mutta luulen, että aika harva enää oikeasti uskoo, että tällä kaudella olisi tulossa syksyksi samanlainen parannus.

Luulen että seuran heikentynyt taloudellinen tilannekin vaikuttaa, valmentajien potkut ja uusien palkkaaminen tulee kalliiksi. Mutta kalliiksi tulee sekin, jos nykymeno jatkuu pitkään. Huomaan itsessänikin tietyn RBK-apatian, ja tämän päivän tappio ei edes juuri harmittanut. Huomasin matsin jälkeen jopa miettiväni, jaksanko sunnuntaina lähteä kotimatsiin, ja voin vakuuttaa että tätä ei ole ennen tapahtunut. Enkä tietenkään ole ainoa. Viime viikon cup-matsin jälkeisenä aamuna oli RBK:n toimiston ympärillä isot bannerit, joissa hallitukselta vaadittiin toimia. En tiedä onko Rekdalilla vielä pukuhuone hallussaan, mutta isompi ja isompi osa faneista vain odottaa tämän lähtöä, koska ajattelee, että se tulee joka tapauksessa tapahtumaan lähiviikkoina tai -kuukausina.

Minulla on, ilman sen parempaa syytä, edelleen luottamus seuran uuteen hallitukseen, ja toivon, että siellä valmistellaan kulissien takana suuria päätöksiä, samalla kun medialle vakuutellaan, että luottamus Rekdaliin on kunnossa. Toiveajattelua vai ei, saa nähdä. Oikean valmentajan käsissä tästä kaudesta voisi vielä olla pelastettavissa kunniallinen sijoitus, ja heinäkuussa alkaa ECL-karsinnatkin.

[indreløper]

Rosenborgin kannattajayhdistys Kjernen vaatii tänä iltana julkaistussa avoimessa kirjeessään potkuja Rekdalille ja apuvalmentaja Frigårdille.

[Norjalainen]

There are many answers to why Rekdal hasn't gotten fired yet, and sadly for everyone with any investment in Rosenborg, it seems like he will be allowed to stay for longer. And it's a lot of history attached to it, none of it relevant to Rekdal, but we're still burdened by it.

But the main reason the board haven't fired him yet, at least from what the chairperson is saying, is that "Rosenborg has a bad history of firing managers, and we don't think that's the solution". And that is a truth with some caveats. It is a fact that since Nils Arne Eggen retired at the end of the 2002 season, we have had 16 different managers - including Nils Arne Eggen again in 2010. But only 6 of them got fired. Hareide(2003) and Harmén(2010) went to manage Norway and Sweden. Høgmo(2006) withdrew because of health reasons. Nils Arne Eggen(2010) and Rini Coolen(2018) weren't offered new contracts. Hareide(2021) retired, even if he went out of retirement twice after to manage Malmö and Iceland. Two of the cases is Trond Henriksen being the caretaker. Eirik Horneland(2020) withdrew on his own, and even suggested his replacement, and the board said "okay" like that's a normal thing. And that leaves Ola By Rise, Per Joar Hansen x2, Knut Tørum, Jan Jönsson, and Kåre Ingebrigtsen as the fired managers after Eggen. And it is that last one who really got us in trouble. Because he was fired while the club was the reigning league and cup-winner, after winning the double twice in two years. We were close to qualifying to the Champions League and knocked Ajax out of the Europa League in the playoff under his reign. But his last season was bad, he was going away from the style of play that made us win, and instead we had a really negative curve. So in an attempt to stop that, the board fired him, and wanted to find a new manager to get Rosenborg back on track, and be able to take the next steps.

And that is where the real issues with the statement "Rosenborg has a bad history of firing managers" withers away for me. Because the issue Rosenborg has is hiring managers. In 2018 when we were looking for a new manager we were even linked to a big name like Peter Bosz. But the main target was Kasper Hjulmand. And Hjulmand was interested, and we had gotten a deal with Eirik Horneland, who at the time had led Haugesund with great success for that club for a long time, to become his assistant. So it was a very ambitious plan, and a real "big club move". It could be compared to HJK hiring some big shot manager, and taking Teemu Tainio to be his assistant. But Kasper Hjulmand was offered the Denmark NT job, and said yes to that. So now Rosenborg had no backup, so they offered Horneland the job as the manager, and he turned them down a few times at first even, but we managed to convince him to take the job. Which he failed at, for many reasons, some that had nothing to do with him as a manager, but deeper issues.

Now when Kjetil Rekdal was hired, our main candidate was Kjetil Knutsen, the manager in charge of Bodø's rise. And he was not uninterested, but he had doubts, and didn't give a clear answer in time for the board director at the time, and then they considered Knutsen a lost cause. Milos Milojevic, at the time the manager of Hammarby, was suggested by the director of sports, but he was "too foreign" for the Rosenborg board, who opted to act on board member and previous Werder Bremen-star, Rune Bratseth's advice. And thus we ended up with Rune's friend, instead of a more qualified, more Rosenborg-esque manager.

Everyone knew it would not be in line with Rosenborg's values or playstyle, but here we are. Just waiting for the pain to end. And now there is a new board in charge, but there are serious doubts that they will be able to break the tradition of hiring the wrong people. All the fans want is someone who plays proper attacking football and has that as a plan A against all opponents.

There are also so much else other than what is happening on the pitch that is wrong with Rekdal these days, but this isn't Rekdal's thread, this is Santeri and Agon's thread, and they deserve a better manager.

(I started writing this before Indreløper's good answer, but I decided to go with it, even if I got distracted half way into writing for an hour)

[Norjalainen]

Väänänen starting on the midfield in the 5-3-2 of Rosenborg. Sadiku on the bench. Two midfielders are the two on top. Rekdal is still the manager, but the drama is unreal, so he won't be for long.

[Jema Pelle]

Direktesport näyttää, Flashscoressa ei ollut merkintää. Odotin Sadikua avaukseen, koska ei pelannut maanantaina. Vaihdosta pari maalia?

Molemmat valittu Pikkuhuuhkajiin. Sande varmaan lähellä Huuhkajia, vaikka keskikentälle onkin valinnanvaraa. Lingman on puolikuntoinen, joten katsotaan.

[Norjalainen]

Santeri out after 54 minutes played, striker Aga coming in. Sadiku suddenly got two midfielders ahead of him in the queue to play, so it's going to be difficult for him going ahead.

[Jema Pelle]

Ja tappiolle, maalivahti seikkaili. Sadikua kehiin, kohta on kiire.

Sandella yksi hyvä paikka, josta ois pitänyt tehdä. Ainakin vetää ykkösellä, eikä ottaa haltuun. Pelasi kasina, eikä kutosena.

2-0, ei ole totta

[Norjalainen]

At least Agon and Sande will get to experience the even bigger pressure it is around the club when we are looking for a new manager. It has to be over now.

[indreløper]

Suomalaiset penkillä tänään kotimatsissa HamKamia vastaan. Voi tulla mielenkiintoinen matsi, kun kannattajayhdistys tosiaan vaati avoimessa kirjeessä valmennustiimin eroa. Toivottavasti löytyy tyylikäs tapa osoittaa mieltä Rekdalia vastaan, mutta samalla kannustaa pelaajia.

[Norjalainen]

There has been a lot of focus in the media that there's "too much pressure on the players" and some players have said the things said and done aren't helping them. But there has been nothing aimed at the player. So a discussion that has been going on Rosenborg-Twitter today have been if Rekdal is deflecting everything from him to the players. Because he is the one that have used the strongest words against the players, in the media and to them directly. In the media he has said the squad isn't good enough, he has used Sadiku as an excuse for the team not scoring(even if he doesn't let Sadiku play), and against Trygg/Lade he said they were playing on a shameful level, that anyone he did not want to play should have just told him, and that the whole stadium was laughing at the players.

The man is acting disgustingly, and does nothing to actually take any blame himself. He's good at taking responsibility, saying things like "he's the one in charge of turning this situation around", completely ignoring that the situation is his horrible match plans, tactics, and lack of an ability to get the players to play a positive football.

We will probably win today, but he should get fired regardless. As Indreløper is saying the supporterorganisation stated in an open letter that they want Rekdal out. But there are also groups of members planning to act, perhaps regardless of what happens with Rekdal. There will be no lack of Rosenborg-drama in the years to come.

[indreløper]

Laitetaan nyt päivitys: Sadikulle viitisen minuuttia lopusta, kun Rosenborg voitti 4-0. Fanikatsomo osoitti mieltään olemalla (ainakin suunnilleen) hiljaa ensimmäiset 20 minuuttia ja 24 sekuntia.

Jalkapallo-otteluiden voittaminen on tietysti paljon mukavampaa kuin häviäminen, ja oli kieltämättä todella hienoa nähdä, kuinka paljon onnistumiset merkitsivät nuorille pelaajille. Seuran kriisiä tämä voitto ei tietenkään poistanut. Ottelunjälkeishaastatteluissa Rekdal oli oma epäsympaattinen itsensä, ja joidenkin julkisuuteen tihkuneiden tietojen mukaan kulissien takana voi olla tapahtumassa asioita, mutta ehkä ei nyt siitä sen enempää Agonin ja Sanden ketjussa.

[Niilz]

”In the media he has said the squad isn't good enough, he has used Sadiku as an excuse for the team not scoring(even if he doesn't let Sadiku play), and against Trygg/Lade he said they were playing on a shameful level, that anyone he did not want to play should have just told him, and that the whole stadium was laughing at the players.”

Do you have a link or any news article where he uses sadiku as an excuse i would like to see it..

[Norjalainen]

"it is unfair to expect that a 20 year old boy from Finland should come to Norway and do what [Tengstedt+Vecchia+Sæter] did last year."

He isn't saying "Sadiku is the reason we are bad", but he is building up a strawman he can knock down. Implying that expectations are that every new player should be a Tengstedt, and it's the expecations that makes the team fail - maybe? But what he is doing is answering to criticism that the team isn't playing well, his playstyle not working and being in line with what anyone expects of Rosenborg, with pushing players in front of him. He also have told media that the team isn't good enough - while our director of sports have said the squad is good enough. Good times in Rosenborg.

Today the news finally broke that the board have been discussing options to Rekdal, short term and long term.

[Norjalainen]

Both Sadiku and Väänänen are playing on a stacked second team for Rosenborg now. Playing against Steinkjer on level 4. It's 20 minutes left of the match, and the score is 8-0, half the goals scored by Finnish players. Hattrick by Agon and Santeri scoring once.

[BlyzR]

"it is unfair to expect that a 20 year old boy from Finland should come to Norway and do what [Tengstedt+Vecchia+Sæter] did last year."

He isn't saying "Sadiku is the reason we are bad", but he is building up a strawman he can knock down. Implying that expectations are that every new player should be a Tengstedt, and it's the expecations that makes the team fail - maybe? But what he is doing is answering to criticism that the team isn't playing well, his playstyle not working and being in line with what anyone expects of Rosenborg, with pushing players in front of him. He also have told media that the team isn't good enough - while our director of sports have said the squad is good enough. Good times in Rosenborg.

Today the news finally broke that the board have been discussing options to Rekdal, short term and long term.

Mixun pelikirja käytössä. Lupaa hyvää.

[Norjalainen]

The highlights from the match where Sadiku has 3 tap-ins and a penalty goal, and two shots to the moon. There's also a moment where a dog runs in and gets the ball.

[kokistuoppi]

There's also a moment where a dog runs in and gets the ball.

Very scrappy little guy. Might be a good addition to RBK’s midfield.

[Ameobi]

Eurooppa-liigasta, Väänänen, Norjan vittudivariin. Eihän tää nyt hyvältä näytä.

[indreløper]

Siellä taisi olla 9 ykkösjoukkueen pelaajaa mukana hassuttelemassa, eli kyse on ihan puhtaasti pelituntuman säilyttämisestä. Mutta joo, ei kumpikaan suomalainen ole mihinkään avainrooliin päässyt, siitä ei pääse mihinkään. Ikuisena optimistina luotan kuitenkin siihen, että kaikki muuttuu parempaan suuntaan, kunhan uusi päävalmentaja tarttuu ohjaimiin, ihan hetkenä minä hyvänsä.

[kokistuoppi]

Löytyisikö Norjan vapailta valmentajamarkkinoilta joku Jan Moldefara, joka kääntäisi kurssin?

[indreløper]

Juuri tämähän on nyt (ainakin) kymmenen miljoonan kruunun kysymys. Vapahtaja saattaa löytyä jopa organisaation sisältä, RBK:ssa on valmennuskouluttajana Svein Maalen, jota on jo jonkin aikaa esitetty ainakin väliaikaisratkaisuna, jokunen viikko sitten myös tässä ketjussa, ja viime aikoina myös norjalaismedioissa. Sarjan jumbosijalla oleva Aalesund on hiljattain lähestynyt Maalenia, ja parhaassa tapauksessa tämä voi jopa saada Rosenborgin johtoon vipinää, kun päätöksiä pitäisi tehdä ennen kuin Maalen saadaan houkutettua Aalesundiin.